defense and interest. the ones grown the most are medicare and medicaid. we have to do something to stop the increase in the amount or it will swallow the rest of the budget. continuing to run these huge deficits. gerri: it will take over our budget, the only thing we pay for. as you pointed out, the services found we can't even get the front portion of this right. this is a topic you're very interested in. we're trying to find fraud and found 20 million in overpayment. what is wrong with the system here? >> it is the bureaucrats implementing what is a good law. what we did was follow the credit card industry does. many of your viewers have had transactions on the credit card for the credit card company called and said there is a fraud alert on your card, did you really do that transaction? that is computer modeling looking at your spending habits and sees if they're in the normal course of your spending and if they are not, the computer puts up the red flag and they check with you and if you say no, they don't pay. but to something working in the private